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i thought ronald reagan had a fairly successful second term and bill clinton's was marred by his own personal issues. second trerms difficult. w. had a dficult time. one of the things i think they underestimate at the white house and the treasury is the idea of doing tax reform. when you both were probably in preschool, i was covering the '85, '86, tax reform act, and to call it heavy lifting is an understatement. it took a savvy, smart treasury secretary, jim baker, working with capitol hill and a supportive president, and democrats and republicans. i don't see any of those ingredients today to do tax reform in 2013, 2014. >> especially ifhe esident going to have a new treasury secretary. itim geithner, this has sort of been his-- tim geithner wanted to be behind tax reform, wanted to be the force behind corporate tax reform. that might speak to tim geithner staying on a little long fer they think they can get something done in the first six months. >> why is anything different now? why is anything different in the second term? >> good point. >> i'll turn the hosting to you. >> mart
i thought ronald reagan had a fairly successful second term and bill clinton's was marred by his own personal issues. second trerms difficult. w. had a dficult time. one of the things i think they underestimate at the white house and the treasury is the idea of doing tax reform. when you both were probably in preschool, i was covering the '85, '86, tax reform act, and to call it heavy lifting is an understatement. it took a savvy, smart treasury secretary, jim baker, working with capitol hill...
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ronald reagan made his progress with the soviets in the second term. bill clinton almost got a middle east peace deal in the second term. so i do think there's a sense when you look abroad the president has more opportunities to leave a mark. >> john do you think, those that the scandal involving cia director former cia director david petraeus could derail the efforts he's trying to get going here? >> this one won't derail it but it's a very good example of the kind of thing that tends to turn up for season in more in a second term. you know iran-contra for president reagan rather famously president clinton's impeachment was in the second term. so it may not be this one, but, you know there is kind of a coincidence that time consuming scandals do pop up in those last four years. >> it's interesting you bring up legacy. one of the issues with the fiscal cliff is what kind of legacy would john boehner or the president leave behind when they leave office if they can't get a deal done and what about a second term compromising and going your own route. >> t
ronald reagan made his progress with the soviets in the second term. bill clinton almost got a middle east peace deal in the second term. so i do think there's a sense when you look abroad the president has more opportunities to leave a mark. >> john do you think, those that the scandal involving cia director former cia director david petraeus could derail the efforts he's trying to get going here? >> this one won't derail it but it's a very good example of the kind of thing that...
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may talk about ronald reagan but they haven't really embraced ronald reagan. >> somehow i don't think he hit the nail on the head. but louisiana governor bobby jindal might be onto something. he says the republicans need to stop being the stupid party. wow, the stupid party. there is a war inside the gop and nobody knows how this will end. joining me now, steve kornacki and krystal ball, co-hosts of "the cycle" on msnbc. >> our guys, the upper echelon of the republican party, want to fashion themselves as members of the ruling class. we the country class are not in the ruling class. we're in a problem. >> steve, limbaugh is pointing to a big split in the party. where do you think this is going? is this a fight we're going to see rush and the establishment have? >> yeah. this is the problem for the republican party. that kind of a fight is probably good for rush limbaugh in terms of it gives him something to talk about, gives him status within the conservative movement. and it really allows him to rile up his audience, his base and say, i'm the voice of the pure conservative. it's this
may talk about ronald reagan but they haven't really embraced ronald reagan. >> somehow i don't think he hit the nail on the head. but louisiana governor bobby jindal might be onto something. he says the republicans need to stop being the stupid party. wow, the stupid party. there is a war inside the gop and nobody knows how this will end. joining me now, steve kornacki and krystal ball, co-hosts of "the cycle" on msnbc. >> our guys, the upper echelon of the republican...
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that all happened this day in 1979 when former california governor ronald reagan announced his third bid for the presidency and for the republican nomination and, of course, that one was successful. >>> the scandal continues to grow around david tpetraeus as his successor general john allen is now linked to the controversy or at least linked to some of the players. let's bring in our panel, political director for the grio.com, and columnist with bloomberg view, and stephanie is the president of emily's list and i also have james from the national journal who is out with a brand-new piece on this entire episode. so, james, i want to start with you because i thought this was a very striking -- you sort of write about -- trying to write about this from 30,000 feet, the impact on national security. this is what you write, no one is condoning what petraeus did, but there are a lot of self-righteous people holding him to a standard that not many people could meet without considering what he sacrificed because of the years of separation from his spouse and family, said one army general. the
that all happened this day in 1979 when former california governor ronald reagan announced his third bid for the presidency and for the republican nomination and, of course, that one was successful. >>> the scandal continues to grow around david tpetraeus as his successor general john allen is now linked to the controversy or at least linked to some of the players. let's bring in our panel, political director for the grio.com, and columnist with bloomberg view, and stephanie is the...
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so eisenhower, fdr, ronald reagan and barack obama. i think the idea that barack obama does not have a historic mandate when 44 men have been president and seven did what he did in two terms, he got 69 million votes the first time, 62 million votes the second time, i think he has a mandate. the things to be done that are great in this election happened to fall on the progressive side, in part because the republican party and conservatism has gone so far right things that used to be centrist, like environmentalism, which was a teddy roosevelt thing which even richard nixon was in favor of. >> john mccain. >> newt gingrich. >> these things have been now reclassed as liberal, right. the victories that the president has a chance to get which are historic, like on climate change, on immigration, are now progressive ideas because they've been left behind. >> it's now almost up to the republican party to grab a piece of that pie to say this is our victory too when in reality if they had done it earlier -- >> let's don't get in debate about th
so eisenhower, fdr, ronald reagan and barack obama. i think the idea that barack obama does not have a historic mandate when 44 men have been president and seven did what he did in two terms, he got 69 million votes the first time, 62 million votes the second time, i think he has a mandate. the things to be done that are great in this election happened to fall on the progressive side, in part because the republican party and conservatism has gone so far right things that used to be centrist,...
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[talking over each other] a big part of it was ronald reagan's in the reform act of 1886 that, you know, increased reductions and what have you. when i got out of school, probably before both of you were born, it was in the middle 20s. and the direction we are going, guys, it will be in the mid- 50s. in the argument of so-called fairness, we are telling, you know, the top few% that pay 43% of all taxes, it is only fair you pay more. i hope it will be a very welcome outcome. connell: largely, i am sure, it is 2% versus 98% when you pull it. it is very popular, the idea of raising taxes on the rich. they favor extending the bush tax cuts except for the wealthy. neil: you assume that the rich guy pay for it. what i would not do at that table, i would not -- about the appetizer. then, what happens is we penalize those who provide -- believe me, i am not one of these, by the way, nothing wrong with that. i just think it is a disjointed argument. one thing romney did get right, although he maybe did not articulate as well as he should have, it is about everyone having a stake in the action. e
[talking over each other] a big part of it was ronald reagan's in the reform act of 1886 that, you know, increased reductions and what have you. when i got out of school, probably before both of you were born, it was in the middle 20s. and the direction we are going, guys, it will be in the mid- 50s. in the argument of so-called fairness, we are telling, you know, the top few% that pay 43% of all taxes, it is only fair you pay more. i hope it will be a very welcome outcome. connell: largely, i...
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we are separated today from ronald reagan as i was from tom dewey. there is so much about republicanism and conservative that is compelling and that is appealing to people of all kinds of ethnicities, men and women, sexual orientations of every variety. americans are entrepreneurial, workers, savers, and want the message, but don't want to be told that they belong to 47% that doesn't count. >> david, a real fight on your hands within the republican party. david frum, author of "why romney lost," crystal ball and steve kornacki, thank you for joining me. >>> coming up, the first battle that will be fought in the republican civil war will be over taxes and some republicans are already sounding like liberal democrats on that one. carolyn finney and jonathan capehart will join me. sex, lies, and e-mail brought down the director of the cia. tonight, the story is getting stranger by the hour. the newest twist involves the shirtless e-mails of one of the fbi investigatoinvestigators, a the hour, law enforcement officials have conducted a search of paula bro
we are separated today from ronald reagan as i was from tom dewey. there is so much about republicanism and conservative that is compelling and that is appealing to people of all kinds of ethnicities, men and women, sexual orientations of every variety. americans are entrepreneurial, workers, savers, and want the message, but don't want to be told that they belong to 47% that doesn't count. >> david, a real fight on your hands within the republican party. david frum, author of "why...
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reagan building. so i'm leaving. you'll wrap things up for us. >> i'll hold down the fort, but only while you're gone. >> you'll do an excellent job. we'll have much more of what's going on, including my interview with senator dianne feinstein. she's got a lot to say on this whole scandal. and it sounds to her like it's something out of the national enquirer. something very interesn common. they have teachers... ...with a deeper knowledge of their subjects. as a result, their students achieve at a higher level. let's develop more stars in education. let's invest in our teachers... ...so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. online outfit piccolo headphones buy now broadway show megapixels place to sleep little roadster war and peace deep sea diving ninja app hipster glasses 5% cash back sign up to get 5% everywhere online through december. only from discover. >>> the affair that brought down cia director david petraeus caught most officials in the nation's capital by surprise. and many of u
reagan building. so i'm leaving. you'll wrap things up for us. >> i'll hold down the fort, but only while you're gone. >> you'll do an excellent job. we'll have much more of what's going on, including my interview with senator dianne feinstein. she's got a lot to say on this whole scandal. and it sounds to her like it's something out of the national enquirer. something very interesn common. they have teachers... ...with a deeper knowledge of their subjects. as a result, their...
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we saw with ronald reagan and bill clinton. with a second term and a better economy, you can achieve a lot and become quite popular in the process? does obama have that in him? what do you want him to do now that he has four more years? >> the big thing he has going for him, he has four years he doesn't have to worry about getting re-elected. they start these elections about two years ahead of time usually. and that's where their focus goes on how do i keep doing this job, whether i'm a senator, congressman, or whatever it is, if you are a career politician, you always look out for yourself first. when the president's in this position, having been elected a second time, now he has nothing to lose. >> where do you you this he's been weak and where does he need to be stronger? >> i think he's been weak. my son was a huge obama supporter until obama ordered that american's death with the drone and then he lost my son. my son was so offended that a president could kill a united states citizen without a trial, without anything like
we saw with ronald reagan and bill clinton. with a second term and a better economy, you can achieve a lot and become quite popular in the process? does obama have that in him? what do you want him to do now that he has four more years? >> the big thing he has going for him, he has four years he doesn't have to worry about getting re-elected. they start these elections about two years ahead of time usually. and that's where their focus goes on how do i keep doing this job, whether i'm a...
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. >> jimmy: any way, maybe ronald reagan will come back. >> oh, yeah! >> jimmy: just say you did it for him. at least you will have a fun conversation piece for thanksgiving for the rest of your life. thank you for talking with us, eric, appreciate your time. an individual. [ cheers and applause ] he is all right with it, i guess. and hope you are all prepared for national unfriend day, a holiday, every november 17th, i give you an opportunity to unfriend anyone on facebook who is not actually your friend. most people have some where between like four and 30 friend in your life. facebook friend can go into the thousand. time to get rid of them. these are the people you should unfriend first. went through a few last night. a friend we have all been dealing with lately, the overpolitical friend. everything this person posts is angry and politically oriented. they share links to huffington post articles you are never going to read. jam your political opinions into things that have nothing to do with politics. lakers fire coach mike brown, nice work on unem
. >> jimmy: any way, maybe ronald reagan will come back. >> oh, yeah! >> jimmy: just say you did it for him. at least you will have a fun conversation piece for thanksgiving for the rest of your life. thank you for talking with us, eric, appreciate your time. an individual. [ cheers and applause ] he is all right with it, i guess. and hope you are all prepared for national unfriend day, a holiday, every november 17th, i give you an opportunity to unfriend anyone on facebook...
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tip o'neill and ronald reagan got together and saved the program. sometimes you need to adjust to change the thing you care most about. tip o'neill did not sell off the democratic party by embracing that. if we do it in a responsible way that doesn't gut the program, i think the base of the party will understand. the alternative is doing nothing with bad damage to the economy, or the right wing of the republicans coming in and taking over and their answer to the solution would be much more draconian. host: jack in kentucky. caller: i have one question. can you guarantee -- guest: i thought you're going to ask why indiana university and kentucky and not playing basketball this year. for the first time they are now playing and we are rivals. i cannot talk about classified information on tv. things like stinger missiles are very problematic and we do everything we can to keep track of them. muammar gaddafi stockpiles of weapons, surface- to-air missiles and we're doing everything to track those down and secure them. the region was awash in those things
tip o'neill and ronald reagan got together and saved the program. sometimes you need to adjust to change the thing you care most about. tip o'neill did not sell off the democratic party by embracing that. if we do it in a responsible way that doesn't gut the program, i think the base of the party will understand. the alternative is doing nothing with bad damage to the economy, or the right wing of the republicans coming in and taking over and their answer to the solution would be much more...
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administrator, thanks for being here at ronald reagan international airport. as we look at the holiday fast approaching, thanksgiving next week, we are anticipating a busy travel seasons once again and the men and women of t.s.a. are standing at the ready to provide the most effective security in the most efficient way. this year we're anticipating over 24 million passengers traveling during the thanksgiving holiday period, and as you know, that can create both challenges and opportunities for the traveling public especially those that travel infrequently. so part of the reason of being here today is to ask those infrequent travelers to visit the t.s.a. website to understand the screening process in a way that will help all those others in line to deal with the longer lines that we usually see. this has been a busy and productive year for t.s.a. as we've focused on developing and testing and implementing a number of what we call risk-based security initiatives. things that are enabling understand to again provide the most effective security
administrator, thanks for being here at ronald reagan international airport. as we look at the holiday fast approaching, thanksgiving next week, we are anticipating a busy travel seasons once again and the men and women of t.s.a. are standing at the ready to provide the most effective security in the most efficient way. this year we're anticipating over 24 million passengers traveling during the thanksgiving holiday period, and as you know, that can create both challenges and opportunities for...
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reagan, the outsourcing of our jobs. there are a lot of people trying to live and $10 an hour while they are getting social security, medicare, taking out of their money, and then they are told by people like paul ryan and mitt romney that that is an entitlement. to me, that is like more of a ponzi scheme if they take that away. getting back to the elephant in the room, until we start talking about structurally change in this country beyond fighting over taxes -- you can fight over moving around the chairs on the titanic, but what really needs to be done is we need to repeal the trade agreement, look at taxing goods from china, and we need to get jobs back into this country, manufacturing jobs with wages people can live on and pressure for wages to go up. right now, the pressure is for wages to go down. you are fighting over what is less of the money coming in. host: let's go to the congressman. guest: this is an important issue that was fought over in the campaign. we need to support manufacturing in this country. i com
reagan, the outsourcing of our jobs. there are a lot of people trying to live and $10 an hour while they are getting social security, medicare, taking out of their money, and then they are told by people like paul ryan and mitt romney that that is an entitlement. to me, that is like more of a ponzi scheme if they take that away. getting back to the elephant in the room, until we start talking about structurally change in this country beyond fighting over taxes -- you can fight over moving...
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this is the first president since ronald reagan to win the popular vote in two consecutive elections. they're trying to deny his legitimacy still. >> not all. >> grover norquist is. >> and speaker boehner has said they're ready to be led. >> thank god for one reasonable person. >> he says he's the most reasonable. >> we'll see what happens in january, though. he has that radical right wing tea party caucus to deal with in the house. i want to see them come to grips with reality. >> great pleasure having you both on. as people continue to suffer in the wake of hurricane sandy, thousands are homeless and without power. the american red cross is trying to push back against criticism from storm victims. >> they take people's hard-working money to assist people, and then when push comes to shove, they don't assist. >> so the red cross is not disputing that, but also calls its response, quote, flawless. many of the people you're looking at in that video do not believe the response has been flawless. we'll talk with nbc news senior investigative correspondent lisa myers regarding the red cro
this is the first president since ronald reagan to win the popular vote in two consecutive elections. they're trying to deny his legitimacy still. >> not all. >> grover norquist is. >> and speaker boehner has said they're ready to be led. >> thank god for one reasonable person. >> he says he's the most reasonable. >> we'll see what happens in january, though. he has that radical right wing tea party caucus to deal with in the house. i want to see them come to...
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in 1976 ronald reagan told stories about the so-called welfare queen in an effort to scare white voters. and the very same lee atwater made the willie horton ad a key part of george h.w. bush's 1988 bid for the white house. and in 2012 the same ugliness took center stage in the gop primary. >> we know president obama is the best food stamp president in american history. >> i don't want to make black people's lives better by giving them somebody else's money. i want to give them the opportunity to go out and earn the money. >> you're doing it because you care about america. paul and i have not promised you a bigger check from the government. >> as atwater said, the message is coded. but what he's getting at is crystal clear. joining me now is toure, host of "the cycle" here on msnbc, and the man who tracked down the atwater tape, james carter iv. he's an opposition researcher and the grandson of president jimmy carter. thank you both for coming on the show. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> james, first of all, tell us how you got your hands on this tape. >> well, i started looking for it a
in 1976 ronald reagan told stories about the so-called welfare queen in an effort to scare white voters. and the very same lee atwater made the willie horton ad a key part of george h.w. bush's 1988 bid for the white house. and in 2012 the same ugliness took center stage in the gop primary. >> we know president obama is the best food stamp president in american history. >> i don't want to make black people's lives better by giving them somebody else's money. i want to give them the...
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. >> in your book you say ronald reagan lied about poverty so he could succeed. you wrote middle class folks didn't have to worry they were indulging resentment. they were doing it because those programs hurt poor people. reagan said so. do the republicans still believe this message? >> i don't know if they really believe it. i don't know if they care. they don't care about the poor, but they've been selling it for a long time, ed. i'm with michael. he is looking backwards to an america that wasn't as wonderful as he thinks, and he's becoming kind of like a glenn beck figure. he's really not leaving it alone. when he went here on election night, i thought maybe he'll get over it. the majority of americans voted for barack obama. we have values. the majority of catholics voted for barack obama. a vast majority of jews voted for president obama. he has a problem with white protestant southern evangelical people, but he doesn't have -- it's not his whole coalition is secular. we have values, too. >> professor, how can we not come to the conclusion that bill o'reilly
. >> in your book you say ronald reagan lied about poverty so he could succeed. you wrote middle class folks didn't have to worry they were indulging resentment. they were doing it because those programs hurt poor people. reagan said so. do the republicans still believe this message? >> i don't know if they really believe it. i don't know if they care. they don't care about the poor, but they've been selling it for a long time, ed. i'm with michael. he is looking backwards to an...
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my god, you would have thought that i had knocked over a bust of ronald reagan. i'm not done. i've got a long list here. >> that's your problem. >> this is not about me. this is important to say. nobody was saying this, and they weren't saying this for a reason. right after the convention. i did a series of tweets, huffington post mutt it uput it they said romney's team's in trouble. they need to turn it around. it's slipping out of their grip quickly. they're in trouble. then finally the libyan press conference that he gave that was such a disaster, the next morning, i went out, i said, this is the worst thing, mark stein at "national review" and all these other people went crazy talking about how i was a rhino and i was this. it was stupidity. then they decided to come at us saying we doctored a tape and obsessed for a week over two seconds where we felt they said ryan, they thought they said romney. so while all of these conspiracy theories are spewing on the right and the conservative entertainment complex, barack obama's team is organizing. and they're targeting. and inst
my god, you would have thought that i had knocked over a bust of ronald reagan. i'm not done. i've got a long list here. >> that's your problem. >> this is not about me. this is important to say. nobody was saying this, and they weren't saying this for a reason. right after the convention. i did a series of tweets, huffington post mutt it uput it they said romney's team's in trouble. they need to turn it around. it's slipping out of their grip quickly. they're in trouble. then...
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ronald reagan said he was against term limits when he left office, because he felt in america people should be allowed to pick the leaders they want. >> caller: i believe they should have the term limits because really -- and i'm speaking to you in my point i cannot speak for hispanics, but the majority of black people are looking at this, and never since the gop is going through -- would we help them. >> john: it's true. and this is what a lot of moderate republicans keep screaming about, that they are marginalizing themselves by doing this. and making their party smaller ever year. thank you for your call. >> caller: thank you. >> john: let's play a clip. >> i find someone even as high-ranking, frankly as former president bill clinton to go and be the negotiator. we need a person of enormous prestige and influence so have these parties sit down together. we're crumbling all over the middle east. >> john: that was john mccain talking about how much work is needed to regain credibility. >> boy. that will hurt your head if you think about that too long. >> john: somebody should tell h
ronald reagan said he was against term limits when he left office, because he felt in america people should be allowed to pick the leaders they want. >> caller: i believe they should have the term limits because really -- and i'm speaking to you in my point i cannot speak for hispanics, but the majority of black people are looking at this, and never since the gop is going through -- would we help them. >> john: it's true. and this is what a lot of moderate republicans keep screaming...
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and what ronald reagan thinks or what oliver north or i think or anybody else thinks makes not a thing if the american people say enough. there comes a point that the views of the american people have to be heard. >> warren rudman saw action and was awarded a bronze star for combat in korea. he once told former defense secretary casper weinberger from his own party his talk of a, quote, limited nuclear war was assanine. he did not seek re-election saying i can see the republican party was being taken over by a movement conservatives and self-commissioned christian soldier whose social agenda i found repugnant. he was 82 years old. he died of lymphoma. band playin] [ male announcer ] the rhythm of life. [ whistle blowing ] where do you hear that beat? campbell's healthy request soup lets you hear it... in your heart. [ basketball bouncing ] heart healthy. great taste. mmm... [ male announcer ] sounds good. it's amazing what soup can do. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi
and what ronald reagan thinks or what oliver north or i think or anybody else thinks makes not a thing if the american people say enough. there comes a point that the views of the american people have to be heard. >> warren rudman saw action and was awarded a bronze star for combat in korea. he once told former defense secretary casper weinberger from his own party his talk of a, quote, limited nuclear war was assanine. he did not seek re-election saying i can see the republican party was...
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. >> ronald ra reagan did the same thing. inside the government of the united states. particularly at the pentagon, you can bring pressure to bear against the israeli defense forces by simply saying you know, those spare parts that you need, the maintenance chance that's got to be done on those aircraft, boy, that stuff is going to get there a little bit slower. it's happened before. eisenhower did it in '54. >> this is an area of the world you know very, very well. radical islamists you understand very well. we had the turkish prime minister saying israel is a terrorist straight. these are ec echoed by president morsi and by the prime minister who went to hang out with hamas, so the question is now israel is surrounded. they've got hezbollah on the north, they've got hamas, syria and egypt, and we've got a proxy war by iran. >> and great instability occurring in jordan. look. all of this goes back to things like benghazi because in the aftermath of this administration claiming all kinds of different things about the death of bin laden and now terrorism was done, the r
. >> ronald ra reagan did the same thing. inside the government of the united states. particularly at the pentagon, you can bring pressure to bear against the israeli defense forces by simply saying you know, those spare parts that you need, the maintenance chance that's got to be done on those aircraft, boy, that stuff is going to get there a little bit slower. it's happened before. eisenhower did it in '54. >> this is an area of the world you know very, very well. radical...
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when democrats had won elections for almost 60 years in the united states and ronald reagan and the republicans took power away from the democrats in the 1980s there was an effort on the democratic side to modernize the democratic party to move it away from things that were no longer working as america changed. i think that's what the republicans will have to do. they were very successful in the latter part of the 20th century. they have to reapply their values, to a new america, a new economy, i want to agree with ka*eufplt you can see some of those leaders out there, bobby jindal and chris christie, and susana martinez, there is a very strong next bench for the republicans that could lead the generational change that is going to happen. it may not be a 20-year process but i don't think it will snap back right away. jon: it seemed to me that governor romney put out a pretty positive campaign talked about, you know, the middle class and trying to restore people. how much of this is -- i don't know, how much of this is the trashing of the romney campaign at the hands of some of the democratic-le
when democrats had won elections for almost 60 years in the united states and ronald reagan and the republicans took power away from the democrats in the 1980s there was an effort on the democratic side to modernize the democratic party to move it away from things that were no longer working as america changed. i think that's what the republicans will have to do. they were very successful in the latter part of the 20th century. they have to reapply their values, to a new america, a new economy,...
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ronald reagan wouldn't fit in with them. chris christie of course will be a part of that camp. >> immigration is going to be a real good test case. you'll see this divide between that brand of moderate republicans saying that immigration is an economic issue. that we need to bring in people with the skills that america needs to power the economy and on the other side, folks like steve king and michele bachmann who use those emotional appeals of they'll take your jobs, they're from another country and so on and so forth. how that plays out will be key to what the party becomes. >> john: you can't win the white house with less than 40% of the latino vote. the pragmatic republican response would be let's find a pathway to citizen. you have sean hannity saying this now. >> what a conversion. >> john: everyone in politics -- >> how convenient. >> john: in fairness, both sides historically have cared more about electability than ideology. >> true. but this is a party who when bush did it, when democrats tried to bring forward a dr
ronald reagan wouldn't fit in with them. chris christie of course will be a part of that camp. >> immigration is going to be a real good test case. you'll see this divide between that brand of moderate republicans saying that immigration is an economic issue. that we need to bring in people with the skills that america needs to power the economy and on the other side, folks like steve king and michele bachmann who use those emotional appeals of they'll take your jobs, they're from another...